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I Think 98% of this art is a modern bad tasted shit

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P1040204_tiny_square Asya Davydova 2 posts

and what do you think?)




Thank you so much for answering! The reason i wrote it was i wanted to do something provoking here – to throw a stone into the water and look at the circles it will make. It worked. Thank you for being honest and open hearted! I think there are a lot of good and bad art here, and mine is not the best for sure. I just try to learn, and i’m learning from your works a lot. And it’s great to dislike and to criticize as well – one need it to develope – to find out wich way not to take.
I’m strongly apologizing if i offended anyone.

 
Pigeon_lake_july_07_044_tiny_square Krista 31 posts

Are you joking?

 
Tommy_s__open_stage_leopard__lillies_july_26_2007_016_tiny_square azzutaluna 111 posts

Opinions about art are relative. We all like what we like, and it has no bearing on whether anything is ‘GOOD” or not. If you LIKE IT, it’s GOOD for you. It’s the same for music, food or anything else we experience in this life. Try to refrain from being insulting here, please.

 
Pigeon_lake_july_07_044_tiny_square Krista 31 posts

Ditto. That was a really mean spirited thing to say. I don’t care what the skill level is, any artist who has the guts to show his work deserves respect. When comments like this come from the general public it’s not surprising but when it comes from an artist it’s unforgiveable.

 
Allotment_photos_004_tiny_square ellenorourke 9 posts

Well said!, Krista I have no art qualifications and this kind of comment scares the crap out of me, An artist develops over a life time, how can an artist be so narrow minded, and yes taste has a lot to do with it. Constructive critisizm is more helpful and it is received with thanks everyone can learn, no one person has the answer to everything. Asya I’m sorry but you need to be a little bit more humble.I wonder if you think that you are included in the 2% that you don’t consider “Bad tasted shit” because others may beg to differ, (Not myself as I am not qualified to make a judgment on your work)How would that make you feel, You really are very unkind.

 
Dragon_tiny_square Maiden 2 Craft 26 posts

as my husband always says… and forgive me for being crass… but i do love this … so rather then edit it out… i will repeat it verbatim… “There is a chair for every ass and its up to the ass to find out what suits it best” just felt that it applied here. I am not classically trained… and yes you all are right… it takes a tremendous amount of courage to allow others to peek into your soul and see what hides there that some only share thru their art.




but here’s something to consider… that maybe just maybe this person here that made such a terribly insulting comment.. that only said this to stir up drama … and…. how many of you that read this post.. rushed right on over to her page to look at her work wondering.. “who the hell does she think she is saying something so terrible… ” and went to go judge her work… how many views of her work were seen BEFORE she made such an insulting statement…




something to think about … sometimes and ass is just an ass and though searching for a chair is resentful that so many have found their seats for now.. and shows resentment this way.. in such bad taste and form! and the more the we as a whole acknowledge this form of behavior… we just give fuel that it works and will allow this person to view what she’s done here as successful… and sadly continue this pursuit of negative behaviour…




usually when one of my twins is in a full blown tantrum… my only reaction is NOTHING!

 
Tommy_s__open_stage_leopard__lillies_july_26_2007_016_tiny_square azzutaluna 111 posts

Well, I for one purposely DIDN’T check out her art as I WOULD have if she hadn’t said that. I felt that statement deserved a boycott. And yes, we all did jump in to let her know how we felt about the comment, but to let it go might encourage others to start slinging mud as well, and this forum is not meant to be a boxing ring. Better to say nothing than to say hurtful things simply because things don’t agree with ones own personal taste. Just trying to do a little refereeing here before things get out of hand. I think we can all manage to get along if we can be honest AND diplomatic, as in “I like THIS, beacuse….. but THAT doesn’t appeal to me.”
As for asses and chairs….hmm. That’s an interesting analogy.

 
Allotment_photos_004_tiny_square ellenorourke 9 posts

Oh boy you got that one right, Maybe it say’s something about me and yes I did go and look at her work, Maybe I’m an ass, cos I fell right into that trap. I looked because I thought that perhaps she was an awsome artist and I could learn some thing.

 
March_2007_tiny_square Eleanor Gilp... 60 posts

I did not expect to find this topic here. And certainly the first post to this topic is rude and even ugly. But here is my post in more “restrained” language. The issue remains, I think.




“Dear all,
I am increasingly disturbed by the professional level (and taste) of so much of the work, and the arbitrary way artists and works are highlighted. It is not about my work being so great, which is not the point, but about evidence in the work shown of training, skill, and judgement. It may be that this site is really for people at all stages of development, and that is legitimate. But would you expect a serious collector to be spending time here? Someone interested in selling would want to be in the company of artists who command respect, that one would be proud to be shown with. So, although there are artists here I genuinely admire, I am considering resigning from the site. What do you think?

 
Red_group_tiny_square MarliesVetter 25 posts

I Think 98% of this art is a modern bad tasted shit …....................????? why, I cannot understand, please help about

 
Pixie7_tiny_square Nexus7 31 posts

Well, I hope this original comment was not a trick to get people to see their site…...




Yes, expressing hosility of this kind is shitty.

 
Methree_tiny_square Sewsew 57 posts

I learned the hard way not to make any detrimental comments of others’ work. At an exhibition my friend and I were wondering how on earth a drawing had got into the exhibition as it was poorly done in our opinion. The artist was standing behind us and was about 80 years old and losing his sight, and had been a member of the society for most of his life. We felt very small.

 
Unbenannt-1_tiny_square ... 2 posts

...indeed shit happens !

 
Red_group_tiny_square MarliesVetter 25 posts

:-))

 
Tommy_s__open_stage_leopard__lillies_july_26_2007_016_tiny_square azzutaluna 111 posts

Sewsew, I applaud your honesty and humility! Thank you for that story. We all need to remember that art is subjective not only to taste but also to the experience and challenges of the artist. It should not be judged in such highbrow (forgive me) ways as level of “education” , show experience or lack thereof or sigh a “FOLLOWING” of buyers or lack thereof. I ran across a series of paintings in a PAWN SHOP done by an extremely poor old woman from vensuela. They were paintings of people from her village, done in coffee grounds and white out, and they are FANTASTIC. That’s the kind of art I buy—these paintings have “SOUL”. I don’t care how much they are “worth” in the art world.

 
Zencircle02_tiny_square Dustin 5 posts

I also want to applaud SEWSEW’s story… It’s too bad some people are blind even when they still have their sight.

 
March_2007_tiny_square Eleanor Gilp... 60 posts

Sewsew’s story is touching, but it does not erase the legitimacy of relating to artwork with one’s own standards. My own first criterion is: Is the artist present in the work?




Without passion we get cold, dead work.

 
Pro_tiny_square skram 2 posts

different strokes for different folks, but there is no such thing as bad art.

 
Firelotusrain_tiny_square Julie_Huntsi... 116 posts

The topic line looked like a big stone but when I looked at the content of the rock in the pond, it was pretty feeble.




Many good points made!




When I was younger, I too was shallow and roared past people’s art like they were billboards along an old familiar highway. One day, I realised I had traveled my path as if it were a speedway, of which I thought I knew like the back of my hand….lol, then I saw the back of my hand and asked, who’s hand is this. LOL And the way I view art has not been the same since. LOL




Sewsew’s story makes me think of the conversation my Husband and me had today about Gustav Klimt’s later works, where he grew fascinated with lines and more empty space. When I was younger and Gustav being one of my first favorite artist’s I whizzed past these little gems towards the end of Klimt’s life, I thought they were unfinished and did not fill my need for the completed package, so I over looked them but with asking who’s hand this is came the rediscovery of his later works and my perspectives and thoughts deepened.




Art is a dance with the mysteries of life, each step of the journey is a wonder when you slow it down and refrain from making any judgment at all, just experience it while it is in front of you.

 
P1010028_tiny_square barberzhao 21 posts

Hi fellow artists,
Having read through your letters of response to the main letter, I feel that if the site was to list art within its right criteria, so that the buyers or viewers where directed to the type of art of their preference, it would enable the buyer or viewer to go right to the sauce that they require. This would probably eradicate the problem of the frustrations that this is causing, , for example, art which is conceptional art , or art which is surrealist art and so on, making a level playing field for everyone, this would also enable the artist to place their work into the category they wish their art to be seen and direct the buyers or viewers to their art. All that this would mean is that the artist would have a drop down with the various categories to list their art when uploading their art. Just a suggestion?

 
Firelotusrain_tiny_square Julie_Huntsi... 116 posts

excellent point made barberzhao!

 
Tommy_s__open_stage_leopard__lillies_july_26_2007_016_tiny_square azzutaluna 111 posts

Give ol’ Zack a nudge on this one. He’s the guy behind the green curtain that makes all the magic stuff happen. I think is a great idea. Or how about if there were sections to click on with these titles, and a list of the artists that could be clicked on that have that specific type of art. Artists can list themselves in the proper categories. Would that work? Or each artist could have a “menu” on their page?

 
P1010028_tiny_square barberzhao 21 posts

Hi Fellow Artists, I think what has been said wither or not right or wrongly, is that the site is being flooded with art which is more based on conceptional art as apposed to say classical or contemporary art, although it is still classed as a legitimate form of art the amount of time that it takes to do, compared with most other art forms means that it can be produced quickly, therefore it dose not take long to clog up the works. That is why I made the suggestion of a more streamlined approach of art in its own category which I think would be more of level playing field for one and all. Those that are into conceptional art would have their own followers able to view their work much faster and the same for the other artists of other styles. This I think would cut out any bickering and bad mouthing of other artist work. What we must all remember is that we are all artists and art is a state of mind. As long as this can be accepted, the happier everyone will be. There are enough battles being fought in this world without our community starting another one.

 
Sarah_tiny_square Sarah Lynch 29 posts

The only thing I would add is this. I think it would be better to be able to classify individual works, rather than an artist. There are quite a few artists on this site who work in several different media and styles.

 
Firelotusrain_tiny_square Julie_Huntsi... 116 posts

I agree Sarah. I work in so many mediums ( I have yet to get it all put up yet ) but, yes, it would be better by work than classifying the artist this way or that.




I personally think it is fine the way it is though. I think it is up to the artist to tag their work appropriately and this will give the result of what we are discussing and I believe that barberzhao pretty much stated that in his first comment.




I must say, I also agree with barberzhao about the world and it’s battles verses artists and art community.

 
Me_tiny_square zack 206 posts

thanks so much for your input. i am going to spend some time thinking about how I can better promote tags as a way for artists to classify their works. i think if i do a better job of promoting popular tags, those tags can become standard ways to define and browse through works, without needing to create another level of categories, or federate the site into silos for specific types of work. I’ll let it marinate for a while and try to come up with something that addresses the issue.




This is why I love the site! I’m really psyched that you guys are sharing and developing these ideas. I’m doing my best to set my priorities directly from community feedback.

 
Firelotusrain_tiny_square Julie_Huntsi... 116 posts

Excellent, Zack, what a gem!

 
Tommy_s__open_stage_leopard__lillies_july_26_2007_016_tiny_square azzutaluna 111 posts

Diplomacy rules!!!! It’s all about being respectful, right? (Notice we haven’t had a peep from the original poster.)

 
March_2007_tiny_square Eleanor Gilp... 60 posts

Actually, she did revise her original post substantially rather than post again. Look up there and see. She wrote before she thought, something some us know about….

 
Tommy_s__open_stage_leopard__lillies_july_26_2007_016_tiny_square azzutaluna 111 posts

Oh, I didn’t notice that. I didn’t know you could DO that….. How DO you do that? (revise an existing post) Nice backpedaling, I would say.

 
March_2007_tiny_square Eleanor Gilp... 60 posts

Each post has a link to revising if it is YOUR post. It is on the left under your logo image.

 
Tommy_s__open_stage_leopard__lillies_july_26_2007_016_tiny_square azzutaluna 111 posts

AHA!!! I never noticed that! Good to know. Glad somebody’s paying attention. I’m not known for spotting the obvious. It’s the snaky little subtleties that jump out at me. I’ll probably be run over by a bus while I’m reading graffiti written in the dust on it….LOL.

 
March_2007_tiny_square Eleanor Gilp... 60 posts

Love Ya anyway!

 
Firelotusrain_tiny_square Julie_Huntsi... 116 posts

Ha ha ha ha!




Nice to know about the edit button!
 
Bhavik_tiny_square bhavik 48 posts

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Img_1822_modified_tiny_square Robert Cullen 8 posts she is a fool to think like that thats all there is to say about it
 
Randy_painting_001_tiny_square Artistic Cre... 8 posts Art is love! Be creative and do good work!!!
 
Pigeon_lake_july_07_044_tiny_square Krista 31 posts Who's competing? I just do what I do and am interested in what others are doing. Some I like, some I don't. I don't leave negative comments because it's not my place to critique others work, especially if I haven't been asked.
 
Avatar_2_tiny_square sev 66 posts dambustard3 have you never heard of private messages , if we are asked in private to give a critique , we will politely , considerately , constructively and truthfully do it , because most people here are nice people . You are of course entitled to your opinion as i am mine , and i will say i will check your art , give my absolutely truthful opinion and i invite all others to join me . You of course will not wish this done tactfully as a private message , and if you dont like what we say , tough , we will say it nonetheless. That ok?
 
Avatar_2_tiny_square sev 66 posts ah , :-) nothing to look at.
 
Drungs_tiny_square emanon 5 posts just an old picture, but it wont be there four two long.
 
Big_tiny_square moonwave 4 posts There *IS* such a thing as bad art, and good art, and great art.


Good art is honest and comes from the heart and the real, individual vision of the artist. By "heart" I emphaticaly don't mean sentimentality, I mean whatever is really there.

Great art is as honest as good art but happens when where the artist's vision is exceptional. The great artist sees what others miss and creates great art that causes others to see more than they ever did before. Look at most of Da Vinci's works, how he actually looked at his subjects instead of following the old masters.



Bad art is not honest, and does not come from the artist's own heart and vision. It comes from formulas and the artist's idea of what will please somebody else. One formula that gets used a lot is "show nipples". Another is the stereotypical bearded white guy in a robe version of Jesus. Color schemes that match furniture are formulas - hence the "real art doesn't match your couch" line. The formulas used to build highly structured perspectives and math-based art are not what I am talking about - those are tools in the production of great, good, or bad art.
Look at the boobs on Da Vinci's nude women. They don't work. He wasn't looking at nude women, he was going by what boobs were supposed to look like. Not his vision - formula. They are bad art. By a guy I admire more than just about anybody ever.



There is also art that I like and art that I don't. Some bad art is kind of fun. And there is lots of good and even great art that just doesn't do it for me.



Training and education help, but anybody can create good art. Just look, really look, even if you are looking at your own imagination, at how your subject really is, not how it ought to be. And go with how you actually feel, not how you think you should feel. Don't be sentimental, don't be ironic, be real. If you are feeling real sentiment or real irony, what is real from you will be brilliantly sentimental or ironic. If it is honest, it has the roots of good art.



Good art does not have to be realistic, it has to come from real vision.



Technical skill comes from practice, and training can speed the process.



I refuse to put numbers on it (evaluating art is more work than I feel like doing) but I see way more than 2% good art here.
 
2guitarc_tiny_square glassylass 1 post well said Moonwave...... Especially the "bad" art. Contrived art will always show itself for exactly that!

I know as a mosaic artist that for my economical health I do feel compelled to produce what I feel will appeal and sell, for shows in particular. It is a necessary pill that I swallow in order to feed the real mosaic monster that lives inside of me who sees every surface as a possible substrate to cover in tesserae ;-), it can certainly be a bottomless little demon to feed...

I know this is OT but can massage help a 1+ yr old whiplash injury ? ( looked at your site )

Kathleen
 
Ch-150-198-orchid-5-_scroll-jpg_tiny_square florenceshen 7 posts Hi everyone , is there a possibility to get some famous art critic to give comment for our works? There is a section in Saatchi gallery for comment which I do hope there is one over here too. It is good to know what others openion and how they view your work.
 
Elizabeth_tiny_square bethpadillo5 62 posts Yes, FLrorence, there should be blog for that where we can post our work and expect others in artbreak make constructive comments.
 
Me_and_georg_tiny_square Bilodeauart 1 post Favorite Quote: "Art should comfort the disturbed or disturb the comfortable"
 
John_4 johnlincoln 27 posts Another favourite quote - "An artist never fails, it is a success to be one."
 
Tommy_s__open_stage_leopard__lillies_july_26_2007_016_tiny_square azzutaluna 111 posts Being a "successful" artist is like taking a walk on a cold winters day--you have to keep moving, or you'll freeze.